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| I honestly don't know what to think. I really liked this season except for the last two episodes of the Takamura/Hawk fight, which were kind of whiffs. I'm going to leave it blank and come back to it later. |
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| I loved and wanna more. The delay in the fight of Takamura discouragement me a little, but the promise of these struggles I have reanimate, so I eagerly await the continuation, Aoki will be fighting a joke =x |
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| i liked this ep dempsey roll bout to b beastly and damn miyata cold!!!!!!!!!! but 1 match i really want to see Aoki's title fight o well cant wait for new series^^ 5/5 |
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| Waiting the next season hoping it will be good. This episode was good in that it was reminiscent of the Ippo's training as seen a lot in the first season. 9/10 for the series. |
| this episode was a return to what made the first season so great. Cameos (be it minor) by almost all supporting charcters, a strong drive forward, and excellent pacing. My overall thoughts of this season are conflicted. Firstly, it was more like this show was Hajime no Everyone else but Ippo. I think Ippo's total fighting time would consist of two episodes at best (Though this does reflect his declined drive upon reaching champion). Also the pacing leading up Takamura's title fight was snail speed. But I still had fun... and this last episode really gave me a lot of hope for a third season to be amazing. BTW, has a third season even been announced yet, or is this still speculation? |
| i hope it doesnt take to long for next season, can't wait to see more love it hope they announce it what they gonna do cuz if its gonna take to long I will read the manga |
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| It was a great season overall. 9/10 |
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| Awesome episode. This season was definitely not as good as the first season but it was still enjoying. can't wait for the next season. oh and I hope to see mashiba again -_- |
| This was a good episode, but since I just don't understand the thought that the New Challenger is Miyata even though we've seen so little of him (not to mention that lame comparison that Kamogawa was trying to make with Ippos) is totally ridiculous to me. I don't understand why they would have decided to have this episode as it is. 3/5 As for the show...I want to give it a 6 for at least throwing me a bone in Miyata at the end, but it's just not justifiable, especially with the talk of "leveling up'' the Dempsey Roll, instead of maybe adding a new move. Too many things went wrong to rise above mediocrity to me. But at least the next season will have more Miyata. |
| Good episode . Well, I think this was the best way to end this season. |
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| well i dont know wht u think but this episode was something to remind us the training days before ippo become champion so... imo this last episode pumped me up to the skies i gave this season and the previous a 10/10 although there were some "mistakes " like takamura VS hawk it was a bit rushed either way i hope next season wont take whole years to come out ... if anyone has any info about it plz pm |
| I found that comparison with Ippo to be lame...as I said before. He's taking up this new attitude so that he can eventually face Miyata. I just think it was too late in the show to explain the title. |
| Great ending best anime this season but it is not better than the first season, i missed the real romance with kumi chan and damn where was mashiba o well i give this anime a 9/10 |
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| So there are no moves to add that could counter a counter? Is adding to your repertoire unheard of in boxing? |
| Horrible season, only the match against Hawk was worth watching. |
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| I believe you can counter a counter-counter-counter if need be, but just adding counters gets ridiculous after a certain point. |
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| @Ssjbryando You answered the question. Miyata's signature is a counter which relies on him studying his opponent and learning how to specifically take them down. Ippo's is a move with a very specific weakness, and rather than try to exploit one of Miyata's weakness, or come up with a plan of attack, they just decide to level it up (which is something Miyata anticipates anyways). I don't think it's smart, nor do I think he should ditch the move since, in my memory, Miyata is only guy with a counter as a signature. "Adding" to your moves list is different from "ditching" the move for something else. @Tori lol |
noteDhero said: @Ssjbryando You answered the question. Miyata's signature is a counter which relies on him studying his opponent and learning how to specifically take them down. Ippo's is a move with a very specific weakness, and rather than try to exploit one of Miyata's weakness, or come up with a plan of attack, they just decide to level it up (which is something Miyata anticipates anyways). I don't think it's smart, nor do I think he should ditch the move since, in my memory, Miyata is only guy with a counter as a signature. "Adding" to your moves list is different from "ditching" the move for something else. @Tori lol First of all, miyata's counter doesn't really rely on him doing research on his opponent, because it is impossible to anticipate, much less counter anyone just from watching tapes. His counter relies on his concentration, speed, quickness, and balls. Second, please tell me what are these weaknesses Miyata has that Ippo can effectively exploit. We know Miyata is fragile, tires easily, and has weak punches, but Ippo knew that already. But right now, the matchup is just so unfair. Third, Ippo is not fighting against Miyata right now. So the strengthening up the demspey roll is smart, so that when they fight, it can handle someone like Miyata and anyone else who might try to counter it (remember anyone can use a counter if they know what punch is coming, see Miyata's OPBF fight as a resource). You can't just leave your sunday punch vulnerable - that's your sunday punch! That's your ace - it's like you let Kobe take the last shot blindfolded. Just better to leave him off the floor. Fourth, you don't really add moves in boxing - there's the jab, straight, hook, and upper. That's it. The sunday punches we see are just variations that utilize the boxer's abilities. And all of Ippo's punches are already deadly, he just needs to work more on his defense - precisely why the demspey roll was invented in the first place. Lastly, there's no single punch that can counter all counters. |
fisher_88Jul 6, 2009 9:29 PM
| My mistake for using the word research. But it still stands that Miyata's counter depends on "learning how to specifically take [a boxer] down." Tell me if I'm wrong, but during the episode did Miyata not state that the weakness of the Dempsy Roll is that it is a very specific pattern that, like a pendulum, can be stopped once you catch the speeed? That's why I think just speeding up the move is a bad idea. I'm not going to pretend like Miyata doesn't have those weaknesses that you stated, and since this is Hajime no Ippo I totally anticipate that Miyata would lose against Ippo. I just mean for the sake of a "bite your nails" fight, just leveling up the Dempsey Roll is a little lame. Well if you don't add moves, then that's just something I don't know. I don't claim to be a fan of boxing, but as far as this show goes, when I see moves like Flicker jabs, Dempsey Rolls, and Heartbreakers (whatever Date's move was called), I just assume that, for the sake of the show, Ippo could add something to his command list. |
| I just wanted to say that Miyata has to get someone's timing down before he counters - just like in his match with gregory. But if what you meant was that dempsey roll is easy to counter, I'd agree. Still, it's Ippo's sunday punch, he can't abandon it. And as I said, levelling up means making it effective against anyone, even counter punchers. Why do you think that speeding it up would be bad? I mean, do you even know how Miyata is going to counter the dempsey roll? And do you think speeding it up would affect how it's countered? Remember no one knew how ippo was gonna beat vorg until it was shown. And no one anticipates Miyata losing, ever. noteDhero said: I just assume that, for the sake of the show, Ippo could add something to his command list. Remember arnie gregory? That's what's gonna happen to ippo's new move, except that miyata would crush it much sooner. Also, this is not shonen. You don't just add moves in boxing. I mean, the majority of the people in ippo only have 1 sunday punch, and takamura has none. Plus, it would be ridiculous to think that learning punches automatically makes you a better boxer. |
fisher_88Jul 6, 2009 11:45 PM
| I never said that Ippo should abandon it. I was talking about "adding" not "ditching." I think you keep forgetting that. I mean that speeding it up as an only defense against Miyata is a bad idea. I could care less about the other people he's going to face, since I know he'll win probably without any pressing effort. My guess is that Miyata counters the Dempsey Roll by getting the timing of the punches and striking between them, when he's at the center of his wide swaying. Since he already anticipates Ippo's speeding up the Dempsey Roll, I don't see how it will be such a problem when they get into the ring, but that's totally up to how the fight is executed. I see what you're saying with Gregory, but just speeding up the same move that he already has a handle on just doesn't seem like enough against Miyata. Then again, Ippo could probably just not use the move at all. But this is shounen. That's why I've made the point that I have. I haven't read the manga, but when I see Takamura and Hawk with shadow clones, glowing red and green eyes, and all of these other things, I can't help but feel like there's a lot of shounen tossed on top of the boxing to make it more entertaining. |
| Good ending to a good anime. Overall I enjoyed it. It wasn't great and I enjoyed the first series better, but it was still good. 7/10 |
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| What I was saying with the other people is that if Miyata can counter the demspey roll, so can other people. Remember when I said that another can come up with a counter to a punch they know what's coming. noteDhero said: My guess is that Miyata counters the Dempsey Roll by getting the timing of the punches and striking between them, when he's at the center of his wide swaying. Since he already anticipates Ippo's speeding up the Dempsey Roll, I don't see how it will be such a problem when they get into the ring, but that's totally up to how the fight is executed. Why didn't sendo or sanada try this same tactic? Anyone can find the timing to such a simple left-right motion. All I'm saying is that there are other reasons why the dempsey roll is so devastating. Granted miyata can overcome those advantages. And how can miyata anticipate ippo's improvements? And what are the effects of speeding up the dempsey roll? (hint: it's just not making it faster). You're right in that speeding up the move is not enough against Miyata, but as I have been saying, ippo is not just fighting against miyata. I agree with the shounen comment, but that was just tossed on top like you said. It's not as if a better dempsey roll can automatically defeat miyata. |
| My point is that Miyata is the only boxer on the show that depends on counters as his signature move, no? So of course Sendo or anyone else wouldn't use the same tactic because that's just not their style. That's why I find speeding up the Dempsey Roll to be lacking in a fight against Miyata and not other people. Because the only person I see fit to giving me an exciting fight against Ippo now is Miyata (until he goes for the world belt), since the history with both of their characters is there. Ippo's the main character, so no other bout is really going to make me feel like Ippo could lose. Speeding up the Dempsey Roll makes it more devastating because the punches are coming a lot faster. Not only that but I assume that the strength that he gains in his lower body and core to go faster also means having harder punches. But again, if Miyata anticipates all of this to happen, all he has to do is block/evade the first few in a fight to get a handle on the timing (this is one of his strengths, analyzing an opponent and keeping cool in a fight). But if he's not seeing the move until well into the match when his stamina starts to deplete, then it will be over before it begins. |
| C'mon, if people discover how to counter the dempsey roll, of course they would use it if they can. This is not a matter of style, it's common sense. They mentioned this in the episode as well. And believe me, there are other strong boxers besides miyata. You're correct, speeding up the dempsey roll makes it more powerful. Remember this is not a strategy specific to Miyata, but for his next fight. You're also correct, that his lower body would strengthen, and this is a bulding block to having a better demspey roll. Miyata can't anticipate what Ippo will improve on, that's ridiculous. |
fisher_88Jul 7, 2009 1:49 PM
| I understand that there are strong boxers besides Miyata, but because this show is about Ippo, the only person who stands a chance in beating him for the belt (as slim as it is) is Miyata. None of the other boxers matter. Didn't Miyata say at the end of the episode that he expected Ippo to use a faster Dempsey Roll? Honestly, I don't remember what's happened in the past with the move since it's been 2 years since I saw the first show, and Ippo only fought Nao in this one. But didn't Kamogawa (at the end of the episode) talk about how the Dempsey Roll is anathema to modern boxing, and that's why no one really uses it anymore? |
| Miyata is OPBF champ, he doesn't need Ippo's belt. And others matter because they all will be figuring out how to beat the dempsey roll. And even though you may not care about the other boxers, Ippo sure does, because he is the one who has to fight them. And it is ridiculous to think that Miyata is the only one who can beat Ippo - that's a huge shonen assumption right there. Did he? I thought he said he'd expect Ippo would improve it. Again - faster/more powerful for next fight, better legs for better dempsey, as kamogawa/ippo's response to modern boxing. Having a faster dempsey roll is not an anti-Miyata strategy! |
fisher_88Jul 7, 2009 2:51 PM
| He doesn't need Ippo's belt, but he wants a win against Ippo, and for right now, that means a shot at the belt, right? I thought he did. Doesn't improving the move mean making it faster? I don't see how else it could be improved. Well, that's true, making the Roll faster isn't an anti-Miyata strategy, but Ippo would have never thought to improve it had it not been for Kamogawa saying he wasn't a match for Miyata. The emphasis of this episode was on Miyata and Ippo, not Ippo's next fight. |
| What I meant was Miyata wouldn't be fighting Ippo for his belt, rather Ippo would be fighting for Miyata's belt. That's what I have been saying all along - improving also means making it effective against anyone, including counter users. Having better legs is a foundation for that. Kamogawa knew the weakness all along, don't you think he wouldn't improve it? Especially when his next opponent says 'I will destroy the dempsey roll'? Again, eventually everyone will figure out how to beat the dempsey roll, so sooner or later they would have to improve it. Figuring out how to beat opponents is also a trainer's job. |
fisher_88Jul 7, 2009 3:08 PM
noteDhero said: I understand that there are strong boxers besides Miyata, but because this show is about Ippo, the only person who stands a chance in beating him for the belt (as slim as it is) is Miyata. None of the other boxers matter. Eiji Date would beg to differ. The fact is that Ippo has lost before and that means he could plausibly lose again. And there are plenty of ways to improve on the Dempsey Roll aside from rotation speed. Ways that'll make it strong against counters. We'll be learning about that next season. Plus, there's the psychological impact that comes with successful execution of a move your opponent thinks is useless - if Miyata or any other boxer doesn't foresee the changes made to the Dempsey Roll, it can screw over their entire fight plan. |
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| I think Date is the exception that proves the rule. Not to mention that at that point, Ippo needed a loss, and that Date overwhelmed him in experience. I'm not saying that Ippo won't lose, especially once he get's to the world stage, but that there has yet to be anyone with a story that rivals Ippo's to make me even consider it. Date had that story, Miyata has that story. I haven't seen anyone else. Like I said, I don't pretend to know a lick about boxing, so I only see the most obvious way of improving the Dempsey Roll. I look forward to next season when we see the fruit of his labor. |
| ^^ yeah you may see Ippo as very strong, and the story is obviously about him, but as a boxer, he's very vulnerable, that is why kamogawa made the comment about modern boxing. so he's definitely not as strong as you're making him out to be. even miyata is a lot more fragile than he may seem, especially since he's so stubborn, prideful, and easily provoked. |
| Oh no, I don't see Ippo as that strong either. Kamogawa hasn't done much to push him, just beat the basics in. Just like with Takamura. I say what I said because it's a shounen show, and one of those conventions is an overpowered, undertrained "loser" who beats everyone. And I know Miyata is fragile, what with the glass jaw, and wanting to stay in a weight class that kills him just so he can face Ippo, but he's the only interesting character (besides pre-Ippo Date) that the show offers someone like me. |
| This season was disappointing, especially when compared to how much I enjoyed the first. There weren't that many interesting matches, the Takamura vs Hawk arc had a few bad/boring episodes, and the ending was ok. There was also a lack of my favorite character Sendou, but I already knew he wouldn't do much this season so that doesn't bother me. Hopefully the next season will be better. Score; 7/10. |
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| Great last episode. That's for episodes such as these that I like HnI and that I watch it ! Can't wait for a third season. |
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